Tim, I think you’ve created a very useful framework & used it to try to prompt people into thinking about how the knowledge they have came about.
Very often, it’s “Someone told me this & I chose to believe them.
I’d treated as fact several things that I was aware had never formally been shown to be true. Most of us have done this.
An example is the group of substances too old to have been evaluated by regulators. Those who as far as we know have never been associated with harms can be classified as GRAS (“generally recognized as sage”).
In the past, if I looked up the toxicological profile of an excipient & saw GRAS, I’d think that was safe.
Now, I wonder how did it get that classification, who lobbied for this outcome, what I’d bring covered up, etc.
One major limitation of the two colour model is how very few things are actually true, rather than treated as good as true.
If Mr. Reeve had not made it sound personal, this would have been a relevant point. In this "Reality" there are "A million shades of grey", or green or pink??
The only way humans can know anything, is by reaching agreements on definitions. So, isn't it all circular? Perhaps we have to prune down to what is relevant? No point in squabbling about thing that don't matter.
Thank you for your words of wisdom,I always try to use your Pink and Green thought process. Finding out almost everything you were taught ( indoctrinated brown stuff 😡)is a lie, leaves one on shaky ground moving forward so it’s Pink or Green from now on😊
It does take a great deal of investigation and the chat channel helps tremendously.
However 😊 I would definitely ( given the stated conditions) put my £100 down, as my lived reality is every cup I’ve knocked off the counter (so far ) has always fallen , 🤔and rarely bounced 🤯I am a bit clumsy 😂
I don’t think I will be calling my personal lived reality, a representational claim.My cups in these instances would have green dots outside, all green inside with one medium pink dot ( for new science discoveries).
I do agree we can’t predict our future reality. This world has many unknowns….
🧐Typo. …sciere ( science) to mean to know .
Best Wishes Helen 🤗 Wishing you a Happy Festive Season🎄🥂🍾
Even the stuff you see with your own eyes ~could~ be "pink". For example, if you were intercepted in your sleep by an anesthesiologist who kept you asleep while a mad scientist inserted a computer chip into your brain via your eye socket so they didn't leave a visible trace and connected it to your optic nerves in order to make you "see" things that aren't "really" there. And they cleaned up after themselves really well and administered you a paracetamol so you didn't notice the headache and have no idea they were ever there.
Or maybe "reality" is all something imaginary that exists only in your head, including your head being imaginary but I'm using "in your head" as a figure of speech.
Mr West; You smoke too much dope!
However, from this moment onward, I will question every virus I 'see' to better understand its nature.
Tim - Paul knows he won't 'see' or be able to 'question' a virus.... you could have saved yourself a whole heap of typing if you had spotted the joke.
Oops!
Sorry!
Tim, I think you’ve created a very useful framework & used it to try to prompt people into thinking about how the knowledge they have came about.
Very often, it’s “Someone told me this & I chose to believe them.
I’d treated as fact several things that I was aware had never formally been shown to be true. Most of us have done this.
An example is the group of substances too old to have been evaluated by regulators. Those who as far as we know have never been associated with harms can be classified as GRAS (“generally recognized as sage”).
In the past, if I looked up the toxicological profile of an excipient & saw GRAS, I’d think that was safe.
Now, I wonder how did it get that classification, who lobbied for this outcome, what I’d bring covered up, etc.
One major limitation of the two colour model is how very few things are actually true, rather than treated as good as true.
Thanks Mike. I’m going to apply to the paper Sasha asked me to use it on when I have time.
Separate the real wheat from the pink chaff.
I question your pink stuff. I question your green stuff. I question all your stuff.
I don’t understand what you mean. I’m not sure you have understood the Two Colour Protocol!
Just keep the real and the made-up separate! It’s not complicated. Read it again.
If Mr. Reeve had not made it sound personal, this would have been a relevant point. In this "Reality" there are "A million shades of grey", or green or pink??
The only way humans can know anything, is by reaching agreements on definitions. So, isn't it all circular? Perhaps we have to prune down to what is relevant? No point in squabbling about thing that don't matter.
I don’t believe you don’t think reality and fantasy are different.
If there’s loads of shades of gray,
Say Faucis Chocolate Loft Trumpet is 100% imaginary 0% real
And my bassoon is 100% real 0% imaginary
Can you give me an example of something 50% real 50% imaginary please? I’m keen to see what you come up with.
I still think the pair of you are just playing silly buggers.
Hilarious!
https://beyondcertainty.substack.com/p/must-a-cup-fall-does-it-matter/comment/83219149
He’s talking brown stuff.
What you think is green might in fact be pink.
You can’t question someone’s green stuff David. This is what they witnessed. It’s their upstream DATA.
You can accuse them of lying. But I am experiencing having a coffee now and that is reality - independently of what you believe.
Pink Stuff is to be questioned. Green stuff is to be aware of.
Excellent as ever. (If the dog ever masters Latin, it might pedantically point out that it's "cui bono".)
Ha ha Thanks! Sorted
Dear Tim,
Thank you for your words of wisdom,I always try to use your Pink and Green thought process. Finding out almost everything you were taught ( indoctrinated brown stuff 😡)is a lie, leaves one on shaky ground moving forward so it’s Pink or Green from now on😊
It does take a great deal of investigation and the chat channel helps tremendously.
However 😊 I would definitely ( given the stated conditions) put my £100 down, as my lived reality is every cup I’ve knocked off the counter (so far ) has always fallen , 🤔and rarely bounced 🤯I am a bit clumsy 😂
I don’t think I will be calling my personal lived reality, a representational claim.My cups in these instances would have green dots outside, all green inside with one medium pink dot ( for new science discoveries).
I do agree we can’t predict our future reality. This world has many unknowns….
🧐Typo. …sciere ( science) to mean to know .
Best Wishes Helen 🤗 Wishing you a Happy Festive Season🎄🥂🍾
Your personal lived reality is not a representational claim no. That’s green stuff.
Thank goodness for that, 😊 .I’ll remove the pink dot ,for now.
🤔However My future personal reality ,is unknown …….
Yes me too. Only a fool would refuse the cup challenge!
Even the stuff you see with your own eyes ~could~ be "pink". For example, if you were intercepted in your sleep by an anesthesiologist who kept you asleep while a mad scientist inserted a computer chip into your brain via your eye socket so they didn't leave a visible trace and connected it to your optic nerves in order to make you "see" things that aren't "really" there. And they cleaned up after themselves really well and administered you a paracetamol so you didn't notice the headache and have no idea they were ever there.
Or maybe "reality" is all something imaginary that exists only in your head, including your head being imaginary but I'm using "in your head" as a figure of speech.